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    There is nothing to figure out of the holy spirit being a “she” when the Bible never even implies anything of the kind. The discussion should end right there. As for flesh and blood not entering heaven and earth, well, this is what many believe, and I can’t really agree with that either. There really isn’t much justification for such a belief in light of Jesus resurrecting and appearing before his disciples in the flesh, and being described as ascending into heaven in the flesh, the same body we are to be fashioned after.

    (Acts 1:9-11) “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. {10} And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; {11} Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”

    (Luke 24:50-53) “¶ And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. {51} And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. {52} And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: {53} And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.”

    (Philippians 3:20-21) “For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {21} Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.”

    Keep in mind, that at no point does scripture say that Jesus died to make you a “spirit being”, but to make everything new, freeing the creation from its captivity in sin and to bring forth the new kingdom. The only scriptures that at face value seem to dispute what the disciples clearly witnessed primarily comes from Paul. As you will see, he never describes the Resurrection as a completely different body, but of the same perishable body being made nonperishable, or of “corrupted” flesh being made incorruptible. In other words, your body will no longer have an expiration date like the body of Jesus.

    (1 Corinthians 15:39-54) “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. {40} There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. {41} There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. {42} So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: {43} It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: {44} It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. {45} And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. {46} Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. {47} The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. {48} As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. {49} And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. {50} Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; either doth corruption inherit incorruption. {51} Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, {52} In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. {53} For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. {54} So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”

    And as I said before, at no point does any of this state that it has anything to do with making you sinless, its strictly about granting the saints immortality on account of their faith, as a reward. He didn’t actually need to change a thing about your body. If he really wanted to, he could have had the saints fetching leaves off of a tree like the rest of the world will whose names were in the book of like in the new kingdom. There won’t be a need for such a thing for the saints though since the body will never see decay in the first place.

    (Revelation 22:1-3) “And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. {2} In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. {3} And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:”

    For the healing of the nations, not the saints. According to scripture, your healing comes from Jesus, because he is the life. When Paul speaks of flesh and blood, he means “corrupted” flesh, not the flesh Jesus rose from the dead with. To say otherwise is to deny the resurrection itself, and his stance as the high priest, the mediator standing before God on behalf of the creation is no longer of any substance, since it is claimed that he ceased to be human the moment he ascended.

    (1 John 4:1-3) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. {2} Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: {3} And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

    If Jesus no longer has a body of flesh and blood, the correct phrase we would see here is “came in the flesh”, not ” is come in the flesh”. If Jesus is not fully God and fully human, then there can no longer be any propitiation for our sins.

    (Hebrews 2:17-18) “Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. {18} For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”

    (Hebrews 4:15-16) “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. {16} Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”

    The scriptures says nothing about the bodies replacement, but of its redemption, two entirely different things.

    (Romans 8:22-23) “For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. {23} And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”

    I could go on & on about this subject ad infinitum, but I’m pretty sure the points been made. If Jesus ceased to be human at his ascension, then the prophecy of him becoming our high priest was never fulfilled to begin with.

    • This reply was modified 7 months ago by Jibroni.