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Esau was the father of the Edomites, his sons and grandsons were the Dukes of Edom, but where did they go and are they really today’s white people as some groups believe? Ever since I heard the belief that the Edomites are today’s white people, I’ve had plenty of questions for many reasons. In an effort to find answers to those questions, I’ve decided to share that journey each step of the way.
Important: I use the word “black” as an all inclusive description of people with dark skin. Those skin tones range from brown to black skin, and also includes albinos of Hamite and Shemite descent. It is not used to refer to people with literal black skin.
Tough Questions That Require Answers
There seems to be a lot of pressure for people to just accept that the Edomites are white without question, but I always question everything. My mind won’t allow me to just believe something because I’m told to.
Based on the information I’ve been given, conversations I’ve been in, and forums I’ve read online, I’ve developed seven main questions concerning the Edomites. Those questions will be addressed as follows:
Part 1
- Who was Esau?
- Who were the Edomites?
- Where was Edom Located?
Part 2
- Did Edomites look like Israelites?
- Did the Edomites hide within Judah?
Part 3
- What is the role of Edomites in Bible prophecy?
- Who are the Edomites today?
In addition to the main questions above, I’ll also be adding other secondary questions that are meant to inspire us to dig deeper into the subject before accepting any of the conclusions without question. Feel free to ask any of these questions to your teachers and see how they respond. After they respond, make sure that you compare their answer to scripture. If it doesn’t align with scripture, they are wrong. Period.
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The Birth of Esau
We are first introduced to Esau through his father Isaac. According to the story, Esau came out red and hairy, while his twin brother Jacob (Israel) came out like a normal baby.
“And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.” – Genesis 25:25-26
In Hebrew culture, the lineage is traced through the father. We know that Abraham was a Hebrew, therefore his son Isaac was a Hebrew, and so were Isaac’s sons Jacob and Esau.
Inconsitency #1 – Twin Brothers
Those that take the position that Israel was black and Esau is the origin of today’s white people, need to explain why they believe in twins of two different races born to Rebekah, who had only been sexually intimate with Isaac. We are not talking about an albino twin, but according to the theory, Esau was white.
Secondary Questions
- How were Jacob and Esau born as two different races?
- Why don’t these groups recognize Esau as a Hebrew like his twin brother Jacob?
Inconsistency #2 – Esau Was Red
Those that believe that Esau is the origin of today’s white people, are victims of the false belief that the words “red” and “ruddy” refer to white skin. They use this as evidence to support their claim. However, in depth research on ruddy skin in the Bible, reveals that “ruddy” is used in scripture to describe various shades of reds and browns.
Secondary Questions
- Are there any examples in scripture showing the terms “red” and “ruddy” used to refer to white skin?
- How is white skin consistently described in the Bible?
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The Wives of Esau
In order to stay on topic, we are going to move straight to the wives of Esau. We’ll cover the birthright, blessing, and land of Edom in Part 2. If Edom became today’s white people, then there is a huge inconsistency when it comes to the wives Esau chose and the children born to them.
“And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:” – Genesis 26:34
Let’s start by establishing a few facts:
- The Hittites descended from Heth.
- Heth was the son of Canaan.
- Canaan was the son of Ham.
- Esau’s first two wives were Hamites.
If we accept that Ham is the father of the black African races, then we also have to accept that Esau’s wives were very likely black, based on who they descended from.
“Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham’s son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.” – Genesis 28:9
Mahalath was Ishmael’s daughter, and Ishmael was half Egyptian. Again, here are a few facts:
- Ishmael’s mother Hagar was full Egyptian.
- Egyptians descended from Mizraim.
- Mizraim was the son of Ham.
- Ishmael married an Egyptian woman.
- Ishmael’s daughter was 3/4 Hamite and 1/4 Hebrew (Shemite)
“Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite;” – Genesis 36:2
We’ve talked about the Hittites, but the Hivites were also descendants of Ham’s son Canaan (Genesis 10:17). Throughout Genesis, Esau’s preference for Hamite women is clear. Let’s look at all four wives of Esau:
- Judith (Hittite) – Genesis 26:34
- Bashemath (Hittite) – Genesis 28:9
- Adah (Hittite) – Genesis 36:2
- Aholibamah (Hivite) – Genesis 36:2
Inconsistency #3 – Ethnicity
According to the Bible, all of Esau’s wives were women of color, with African (Hamite) heritage. The fact is that we don’t see entirely white lineage coming from people of African lineage. There are albinos, but they are not the norm.
Secondary Questions
- If Esau exclusively chose Hamite women as wives, how did he come to be known as the father of a white nation?
- If Hebrews were black and Hamites were black, how did a mix of Hebrew and Hamite children become white?
The Children of Esau – The Edomites
Logic dictates that if Esau married women of African descent, then his children would also be of African descent, even though they would be counted as Hebrews via Esau. Jesus because Esau was Hebrew does not mean that the mothers of the children didn’t pass on their traits. In this case, one of those traits was likely dark skin. Because the list of Esau’s children and grandchildren is so long, we’re going to break them down into groups (Genesis 36:1-28):
The Children of Judith
- N/A (not mentioned)
The Children of Bashemath
- Reuel
The Children of Adah
- Eliphaz
The Children of Aholibamah
- Jeush
- Jaalam
- Korah
The Grandchildren of Esau – The Edomites
As we can see, Esau had five sons that are named in scripture. There is no mention of his daughters or other sons. In order for Esau’s son’s to have children, they would’ve needed wives, which they likely found in their immediate area. Before we get into Edomite geography, let’s break down Esau’s grandchildren:
The Children of Reuel
- Nahath
- Zerah
- Shammah
- Mizzah
The Children of Eliphaz
- Teman
- Omar
- Zepho
- Gatam
- Kenaz
- Amalek
The Children of Jeush
- N/A (not mentioned)
The Children of Jaalam
- N/A (not mentioned)
The Children of Korah
- N/A (not mentioned)
All of the children and grandchildren of Esau were collectively referred to as The Dukes of Edom. However, these were not the only Dukes of Edom. There were also Dukes that lived in Edom that descended from Seir The Horite, but they were not from Esau’s lineage (Genesis 36:20-29).
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The Land of Edom
By looking at the map above, we can see that Edom use to occupy part of what is modern day Jordan. This territory directly borders Israel. In order to cover this subject properly, we’re going to come back to the very unbrotherly and unneighborly like conduct going on between these two nations in Part 2.
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Edom: Israel’s Brother
What’s interesting about those that believe the Edomites are white people today, is that they often leave out the verses that refer to the Edomites as the brother of Israel, and there are a few. As always, please read the full chapter for context.
“And Moses sent messengers from Kadesh unto the king of Edom, Thus saith thy brother Israel, Thou knowest all the travail that hath befallen us:” – Numbers 20:14
“Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.” – Deuteronomy 23:7
“Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because he did pursue his brother with the sword, and did cast off all pity, and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever:” – Amos 1:11
Inconsistency #4 – Related Nations
We know that Israel and Edom are brothers by blood according to scripture, but the same is not said about the Europeans (Gentiles) and the Shemites. They are never presented as brothers after the migrations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Secondary Questions
- If the Bible teaches that Edom is the brother of Israel, why don’t the groups that teach a white Edom, also point out these verses when making their argument?
Inconsistency #5 – Hating Edom
As we look at the above verses, we notice that many who believe that Edom refers to white people today, are in violation of Deuteronomy 23:7. This is due to the apparent hatred that many of them have toward white people.
Secondary Questions
- Why is Deuteronomy 23:7 ignored by those that hate whom they believe to be Edomites?
- How can these groups that hate Edomites claim to keep The Law, while ignoring parts of The Law?
American Slavery and The Edomites
There are two camps when it comes to the Edomites and slavery in America. First, let’s look at those beliefs, and then let’s look at scripture.
- The Edomites are the white oppressors that held slaves in America.
- The Edomites were onlookers and accomplices to the Gentile oppressors that held slaves in America.
In the book of Obadiah, we find a reference to “strangers” making slaves of the Hebrews while Esau stood by, celebrated, and looted their city. Obadiah also seems to indicate that they may have aided in preventing the escape of some Hebrews as well.
“For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.” – Obadiah 1:10-14
Scripture seems to indicate that the Edomites were not the antagonists, but played a supporting role in Israel’s enslavement. This prophecy goes on to pronounce judgement on the Edomites for what they’ve done.
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The Breakdown
In order for myself or anyone else to accept that the Edomites are now white, the above questions need to have serious answers, backed by scripture and history, because it just doesn’t add up. Far too often, believers are easily swayed by any form of doctrine that sounds good (itching ears), and not often enough do we question teachers that hold the above beliefs.
I have always encouraged people to question all teachings, regardless of who they come from. Those that don’t like questions tend to be leading a cult, or at the very least, sucked into the belief of a cult. Teachers of the truth don’t mind being challenged with questions, and they will change their beliefs to fit the evidence, not try to explain away the evidence to fit their beliefs.
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Leave Your Evidence and Thoughts
If you have answers to any of the above questions, please feel free to leave your response and include links if you have them. They are greatly appreciated. If you just want to comment and leave your opinion, you are welcome and encouraged to do so as well.
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I totally disagree when you say that Tamar was a Canaanite. Where does it say that in the Bible?
Neither Judah nor Simeon ever married a Canaanite! How can I dare say that? Check the original Masoretic text Hebrew scriptures and you will see that the word for Canaanite כְּנַעֲנִ֖י (Gen 38:2) can also mean ‘merchant’. Only Joseph married a strange wife because he had no other option, but never voluntarily.
You know very well that God forbids marriages with other nations and that God never changes (Malachi 3:6)!
Not True at all… there were 12 boys and one girl born to Jacob and they lived in Canaan… where do you think they found wives? They were the ONLY Israelites. He also DID not forbid marrying other nations… who told you that lie? I literally have a list of all the mixing with other nations. Not only is there a chart showing that they did marry non Israelites constantly, but in the book of Judges they were marrying Canaanites.
https://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/the-awakening/interracial-marriage-in-the-bible-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-and-then-some/
Bathsheba was a Gilonite and her husband Uriah was a Hittite… both from the line of Ham… David was lusting over a Hamite woman and she’s the mother of King Solomon. All you have to do is follow the lineages, use a map, and put it together with what scripture says.
“And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.” – Judges 3:5-7
I figured I’d remind you of this information. According to the Bible, you are what your father is. So all Esau’s sons whether black or white is still Esau. And all of his sons is also Esau. And their sons and daughters are also, Esau. It doesn’t matter if they married a person of color or not. That white Gene is still there.
But clearly at some point someone of Esau’s descent had daughter. And If they had a daughter then you should begin to see how this works over time especially if the two nations were split up…..The answers you seek kinda answers itself really.
Not really. Nothing in the Bible or history says Esau had a “white gene”. That’s BHI nonsense. Esau lived in Africa just like Jacob. There are even stories of the Edomites hiding among Israelites. To say white Esau hid among black Israel is just as ridiculous as when white people say that white Jesus hid in black Egypt.
Good lesson…
All praises to our Heavenly Father, for blessing you to deliver His TRUTH.
I truly enjoy reading this article, as you said there were several things that weren’t lining up especially since Jacob & Esau were twins, I know that our Father is able to do anything because even identical twins are not identical. If Jacob is from the line of Shem, Esau would have to be also, that’s just common sense also the Bible clearly states when the twins fought within Rebecca’s wound and she sought counsel it was revealed she had two nations in her wound (nation definition: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.)
I myself have (2} lighter skinned brothers, one was always called (Red Jimmy) ergo “Ruddy” Thank you for all the hard work you do to help inform people of the truth. Peace & Blessings always.
Edom mixed with japheth so he may not be straight up white nor black but a mixed people combinimg white and ruddy. Even us black israelites have mixed blood but not in the fashion mentioned in the scripture below. Thanks for leaving that out just as you highlight scriptures others leave out. This walk requires patience. Dont be too hasty to teach these topics when you are not learned in all the scriptures related to it.
JASHER 90
7 And the children of Chittim (Japheth) continued their pursuit of Edom (Esau), and they smote them with a great slaughter and Edom became subject to the children of Chittim 8 And the children of Chittim ruled over Edom, and Edom became under the hand of the children of Chittim and became one kingdom from that day 9 And from that time they could no more lift up their heads, and their kingdom became one with the children of Chittim.
Another person too lazy to read. You realize I haven’t even touched on that yet right? You realize it’s an ongoing study right? Maybe you don’t. So how about you don’t be so hasty to speak especially when you came late and don’t know what you’re talking about.
Edom carries haplogroup E-M123, which is close to the E1b1a of the Israelites. Please study the purple haplogroup map found somewhere on this website:
http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2014/02/ydna-e-m123-closer-look.html
Then, Wars of the Jews, by Josephus, and you’ll learn that Idumeans were mostly those who fought to the very end to defend the Temple. They were captured and made slaves in Europe. That’s why 20% of Ashkenazi Jews carry E-M123.
Conclusion: today most Edomite blood exists along the Arabian peninsula and in the Horn of Africa. But the purest bred Edomites are in Ethiopia, among the Tigrean tribe.
I think that God hates Esau because he carries Islam (and Islam hates Israel).
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It is proven possible that twins are born with two completely different pigments. Especially being bi-racial. U can easily google examples of this fact. Even as drastic as one twin born with red hair while the other born twin darker complected and having wavy/curly dark, brown almost black hair.
By all means please share a link with us showing that Caucasians and Black people started from the same mother at the same time. But don’t forget that Esau married African women, so please also share a link that explains how Esau came from a black father, married black women, but still created a Caucasian nation that has no record of ever existing in the area until Greek and Roman invasion.
First: How dare you limit God. He can do whatever he wants to, whenever He wants to, to whomever He wants. And since Esau had something to do with the enslavement of the people God can change him. You are trying to make God fit into our human way and mind but it should be the other way around seeking God and the truth about him; not trying to put God in a box of what He can do and how he can change things. Also it’s proven that over the course of time (in Old Testament times they lived a very long time in the hundreds of years old) taking the lightest (or ruddy) of Black people, then having a baby and the baby have a baby with another light (ruddy) person can make a white person. But you can’t take the darkest white people and make them black.
Your interpretation of “ruddy” is wrong. The words “ruddy” and “red” are the same word in Hebrew. So you either have to believe in light skinned cows (ruddy / red heifer) or you must apply the definition consistently. The word doesn’t mean both reddish brown and white. Ruddy people mixing will not produce a white person no matter how hard you try (albinos are the exception).
Here’s a study on the use of the word “ruddy” in the Bible and in science. Both are in agreement that it’s brown. The only place we find the doctrine of ruddy being light blushing skin is in Christian Identity, BHI Camps (they get a lot of their doctrine from Europeans), and people deceived by the two groups.
https://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/hidden-history/ruddy-skin-in-the-bible-forget-everything-youve-been-told/
Gal 3:28 and Col 3:1 state there are no more different races but only one for those in Christ. Those who have acvepted Jesus as Savior
Thanks for respnoding. These verses ONLY apply to those that have accepted Christ as savior. They do not apply to those that have NOT accepted Christ.
Furthermore, we also know that accepting Christ means accepting the TRUTH about Christ and that he was a black man. Skin color doesn’t stop existing because we choose to believe something. However, intentionally choosing to believe a lie is not accepting Christ. It is accepting a lie in place of Christ, which is the purpose of the “antichrist” coming to power.
When he does, people will assume he’s the real deal, and accept him. There will be many white Christians that claim to believe, but will reject the faith upon revelation of a black Messiah. We know this because we see it daily from the white Christian community.
I really enjoyed reading your article and findings. I love that you question everything instead of believing the lies just because everyone else does. My only complaint is directed at the reply to the comment above. I grew up in a Christian home and we are all white people. Please dont assume that we care about what race Jesus is. Black, white, Arab, Asian, doesnt matter to us. He is our savior no matter his skin color.
Thanks for reading and responding.
If you don’t care about the TRUTH why bother with the book at all?
If I came to you with a picture of a black man and told you it is JFK, is that the truth or a lie?
It’s an intentional deception. The white people that choose to run around hating black people in secret will have to answer for it because everything they say about black people also applies to Christ.
We know that many white Christians today would not call themselves Christian if they knew Christ was black from the beginning because family racism would’ve been passed down, as it is now, and they would’ve ignored the Messiah.
So when you cay you don’t care about the truth, what you’re really saying is that you do care what race he is.
I know you care about what race he is because I’m willing to 100% guarantee that you’ve NEVER gone onto a white Christian site with images of a white Jesus and told them that you don’t care what race he is… even though you know for a fact they’re presenting a false image to people.
Using a false image of Christ in order to trick people into thinking he was anything other than a black man is no different than when Aaron set up the golden calf and told the people it was their new god.
That’s why this subject is so important, and to say it doesn’t matter what race he is, is basically downplaying the whole point of salvation. You have to come to HIM and not a false idea of him… he’s not a white guy or an olive guy or a modern middle eastern looking guy. He’s a bronze skin savior. Anything else ain’t Christ.
Agreed!!
Thanks for clarification about Esau
My thoughts base on the information you presented regarding Esau’s family tree, is that Esau was light skinned black. One my sister is light skin and it’s funny back in the Islands we call light skinned people “Red” We use to call her red, as kids Anyway, Esau became the father of the Edomites or mixed race, which is very important, I think Esau lineage started out being black or dark skinned until they interbred with the HORITES, the HORITES where known to have NEPHELIM BLOOD, in other words “FALLEN ANGEL BLOODLINE” In the Book on ENOCH, when NOAH was born, he was light skin, his parents were afraid because he did not look like them or or anyone for that matter but they though he looked like the ANGELS, NOAH was likely an ALBINO black because his offspring were dark skin. Anyway, introduction of the HORITES DNA with ESAU likely transformed them to look something other than black, we already know Esau had straight hair and light skin.
I have a full study on Enoch posted on this site:
The Book of Enoch: Black Adam, Albino Noah, and The Image of God
https://www.blackhistoryinthebible.com/hidden-history/the-book-of-enoch-black-adam-albino-noah-and-the-color-of-god/
But Esau mixed with the women from Ishael’s lineage. Ishmael was dark because his son Kedar’s name means “swarthy”, which means “dark skin”. We also know that Ishmael’s mother was African, as was his wife. So if Esau was light skinned and only married dark women, how then could he have a white race of people?
That is yet to be addressed by anyone claiming Esau was white or light skinned. Furthermore, the word ruddy is used in the Bible and science to refer to brown things… and not light or white things. So where is the source material for teaching the Esau was white or light?
I can tell you where it comes from… the false teaching of British-Israelism in an attempt to prove that if David, Solomon, and Esau were white, then all of Israel must be white. Its simply not true.
Esau was hated by God because he was the seed of Cain, ie; the servants seed.
There’s a reason you didn’t provide a Bible verse to back it. Jacob and Esau were twins, so how would one be the seed of Cain, but not the other?
Shalawam. I’m a white guy. Just gonna get that out of the way. This seems like a late statement of course, but I’m gonna state it. First thing first, you are absolutely right about Jesus/Yashya Ha’Mashiach being a man of color and need be known for even HIS skin yes. I only believe that HIS color matters because truth matters. If we’re to know HIM in truth and praise HIM for who HE is, we must know all that we can about our savior and stare all truth about HIM with no excuse or attempt to explain our own hearts desires. I know I’m of gentile decent. In fact it is indeed Japhetic. I read all the other comments and luckily you’re smart enough to address everything with logic and reasoning yet hold enough to call out all false claims with intent to correct those who oppose truth in history and Torah/Bible. Yes Chittim/Kittim did mingle with Edomites and so did Israelites mingle with both nations. This however is no excuse or explanation to state that Esau is white. The hate groups that preach this and follow hatred rather than the word of THE MOST HIGH GOD that brought all nations to their positions clearly do not care for truth so much as they just want control. Neither whites, negros, Asians or any other people have or have ever had control of this whole earth. Here is one king. I appreciate those that acknowledge this and search for truth rather than the teaching of those that would rather them hate eternally instead of agreeing with THE FATHER and forgive. Please keep studying. Yes lots of whites have edom bloodline, but not so much a birthright. See the men of Chittim took on wives of what they called “Idumea”. In the beginning of edom’s captivity to the Greeks, all most all men especially those of age were slaughtered as to keep them from growing as a nation within a nation and becoming rebel. Regardless it’s useless to hate any persons because of their skin color if we say we walk in the righteous way of THE MOST HIGH’S law. People forget that David’s great grandmother Ruth was a moabitess or that THE MOST HIGH mentions an inheritance for the strangers that sojourn with Israel. Or they just refuse it which clearly indicates that they do not follow THE MOST HIGH’S laws. I.E.
Ezekiel 47:21-23
[21]So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
[22]And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
[23]And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.
Ruth 4:10
[10]Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.
Any can deny truth if they so choose, but none can make falsehoods into truth. The truth TRUTH of THE MOST HIGH GOD will never be overthrown by the evil ones that seek a false example of power. Even Satan knows his time is short here. That devil will do anything he can to lash out against GOD THE FATHER. He even tried tempting the messiah. He will definitely tempt us as well. But, we can overcome all things, even the hateful banter of a few angry men who lack directions, knowledge and true understanding. So just keep studying brother. May THE MOST HIGH bless you with knowledge and understanding as you seek the truth and through your search birth great wisdom in you. Much love to Israel and all who believe on Christ Jesus/ Yashya Ha’Mashiach. All the glory, all praise and all honor to THE MOST HIGH GOD, GOD of Abraham and HIS chosen people Israel. Shalawam!
In the book of Jasher it says
8 And the children of Chittim ruled over Edom, and Edom became under the hand of the children of Chittim and became one kingdom from that day. 9 And from that time they could no more lift up their heads, and their kingdom became one with the children of Chittim.
So if we were to know that Chittim is Rome. Then what can be concluded from this verse is that the Edomites blended with the Romans. Which would mean that some europeans are in fact descendants of Edom. And also what are your thougts on over a 100 books being taken out of the Bible. Do you feel this was done by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH CHURCH as an attempt to hide our identities (Negroes as the true Hebrews) while hiding theirs simultaneously (Rome as descendants of Edomites)? Thank you for taking the time to read this thank you and please let me know your thoughts.
I plan to address this in detail in Part 2.
1. We are from the lineage that are father is from. So if Edomite women mixed with Chittim, the children are not Edomites.
2. Rome mixed in with other Europeans, which goes back to point 1.
Most of the research out is incomplete or just plain lazy when dealing with Edomites. In order for Europeans today to be Edomites, they would have to have an Edomite father. Chances of that are seriously slim, since Edom started off reddish brown (ruddy).
Hi lionlike men of Moab has me in a fix.
Very interesting article. I myself heard about Edomites being identified as white people today. I’m sure not all of them are, but definitely those in Palestine right now claiming to be Jews are indeed Edomites. I saw a video a little while back called “Black Edomites.” Can you please give some insight on that along with Mount Seir and the other families of Edom that includes the Dukes of Edom? Thanks!
When you say Jews, are you talking about religion, or a race of people…. My father always told me I was an Ashkenazi Jew, but Iv’e never been to a Synagogue or read the Torah. I want to accept Christ into my life and accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but when I did some research, here is what people say about our faith.
“Do you know what the jews who believe in Christ are getting…BURNED, They are satan’s family, God said a BAD TREE i’e family tree can not give good fruit, EVER…Hence they are ALL being gathered and burned in Matthew 13:36-40, ALL of them, if God doesn’t get rid of all of them they will just continue multiplying and creating other devils!”
“The jews are satan’s literal offspring, God is going to BURN THEM ALL…
He did not say CERTAIN ones who do not accept Jesus, READ Matthew 13:36-40..
ALL of them, as for accepting Christ, all false, John 6:44, John 15:16, Romans 8:29
GOD chooses his people, he said he would take just ONE from each city~”
“Ashkenaz and Sephards, harbor the DNA of Esau/Edom. The Bible repeatedly condemns them to utter destruction…and no salvation is offered to them. Read Obadiah and all of the OT verses about Esau/Edom. Since the Khazars are composed of three main genomes: Japheth, Mongol and Hittite/Edomite (through Turkey), they share in the damnation promised to the children of the devil, as proclaimed by Yahshua in Matthew 13, where they are referred to as the tares who will be gathered and burned at the end of the age.”
This is stressing me out and I honestly don’t know what to do. I was having suicidal thoughts recently because I really don’t want this to be my faith, I’m crying tears right now and I feel so lost and hopeless. I recently ordered a DNA test to find out if I’m Jewish or not(Even though I don’t have a large hooked nose, my father does), If I find out I am…. I may go into complete insanity. I don’t see the point of living if I’m a part of this paristic race of people that people say will go to hell for all eternity and is Satans chosen people. I honestly just want to die at this point….
Sorry to hear that you’re having so much stress over this.
The Bible does not say all Jews are going to hell.
The Bible does not say Jews are the literal seed of Satan. The Serpent Seed teachings are absolutely false and yet continue to be pushed.
Stop letting people tell you what the Bible says. Go read what it actually says.
People like to twist scripture often so it’s important to investigate all claims as Acts 17:11 points out.
Dimitry,
You don’t know a thing about the Bible, or Jesus, for that matter! How dare you tell someone because they were born into a certain religion or race that Jesus is going to burn them all up at the end! That is utter lies and nonsense! You need to get your theology from HIS WORD, not from stupid youtube! has anyone heard of actually reading nowadays? People out of every nation, tongue, and tribe will be saved. It does not matter who that person is as long as believe in Jesus and he is the Lord of their life! Do you not know a lot of Jews have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord? Do you think they are still doomed? That is the most insane theology I have ever heard. Yes, a lot of Jews today do not believe, and yes, they are dooming their souls to Hell. But, you do not pick a certain breed or race and say oh, Jesus says they are all going to hell! That is the biggest bundle of lies I have ever heard. If anyone, (no matter who they are) does not believe on Jesus as their Messiah then they are doomed! So it’s that simple. Jewish is not a race! It is a religion, a belief! All blood is the same! READ people! And No Esau is not the white people nor the Black! Esau means Hairy and Red! What do you people think Ceaser means? The same thing! Romans ! Who are the Romans today people? Use your brain!!!
Actually, Esau was “ruddy” and also twin brother to Jacob. Romans did not come from Shem. Also, you may want to do some research on what ruddy means. Ruddy is used to describe brown animals, people, and plants.
Brown is considered to be on the red color spectrum.
Dimitry,
Most Edomites will be destroyed but some will be saved (read Amos 9:12).
The Edomites are not “white” Please read Genesis 10 again, in fact read the whole book of Genesis. The white are from Noah’s son Japeth: sons are ” Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Research who the sons are ,you will see from ancients maps they are Europe, in fact Japeth grandson “Askenaz” are the progenitors for the “Askenazi jews” who are white. Esaau is from the line of HAM, in the Bible , Genesis it tells you that Esau Edomites decendats were mixed with the ishmaelites, mixed race , the Edomites are Arabs, (Black skin Arabs, light skin Arabs)
I’ve covered the Gentiles and reached the same conclusions as you, however Esau was not from the line of Ham. He was Jacob’s twin brother. Also even God refers to Jacob and Esau as brothers.
One point is wrong, Esau is not Hamitic, but is Shemitic! He is Isaacs son and Jacobs brother!
Not sure what you were reading but I didn’t say that Esau was Hamitic.
Remember there were no white people before the flood. All Noah’s sons were black people. Japeth is the so called Asians today, who were displaced by the Greeks and went deeper into Asia. And Asians were Black too. The original Greeks were Black people. The white Greeks just took over that identity after displacing the original Asians. That’s how they operate even today. Where they conquered, the called themselves by the names of people that they conquered. e.g. Egyptians, Africans, South Africans etc etc.
Wrong! Japheth carry haplogroups G, H, I & J. They originate from the Mediterranean islands (Genesis 10:5) and later settled in the eastern, southern & northern extremities of Europe. Canaanites were the first to colonize distant lands (Genesis 10:18). Therefore most of the other Europeans carrying haplogroups R1a & R1b are Canaanites. Central and East Asians are also Canaanites (carrying C, D, O & Q) through other lineages. Chinese (carrying haplogroup O) descend from Canaan’s son, Sin. Native Americans are also Canaanites. Canaanites look different because they lived under very different climates.
Whether you believe it or not, the truth remains the truth.
Can you explain the prophecy of the two nations rising against each other in reference to Esau and Israel? Who would that be in modern times? And how can we be certain that we are chosen and not from another nation or tribe?
Very good question. I’ll work on addressing that in part 2.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the scriptures. I have more clarity because of it. Are you still planning on making part 2?
You’re welcome. Thanks for reading.
I’m working on part 2. I have a ton of new studies coming soon, so make sure you subscribe or check back soon.